Another Treo 800w sighting...this time for Verizon!

Treo 800w. I just held one.

Everyone will probably say I am making this up.. I don't have many posts, etc.

My friend is software engineer for pda software company. Tonight he showed me the treo 800w that will be released on Verizon b4 christmas... if it is not delayed as many verizon releases lately.

It Does have builtin wifi, looks a lot like centro, Does have a ringer switch, has neither athena or miniusb, but a NEW proprietary connector.
I hope that they change the connector to mini usb for the release, the connector was about the same size.

It was blue, lighter than the 750 and not mettalic or rubberized.

One thing I liked was the time bounced around the screen when the backlight was off so those of you that don't wear a watch can glance at the time.

I didn't type on it, but the keyboard was smaller yet didn't look Too small to have trouble typing.

No I have no pictures, But I did want to share my quick impressions.

Now I just hope that a GSM version comes out soon after. :(

Good lord, they made the keyboard smaller?!?!

Anyway, thanks for info. New news is good news. Gives people something to obsess over.

Any word from your friend on whether or not it has a GPS receiver built-in? Early rumors said it would.

Thanks.

sounds exciting!

Yes, it was about the size of the 500, judging from the pictures I have seen on the web. It might be the same body, but with a ringer switch where the power button is on the 500

Yes, it was about the size of the 500, judging from the pictures I have seen on the web. It might be the same body, but with a ringer switch where the power button is on the 500.

I didn't ask about the GPS, I doubt it as it is a small phone compared with 680/750 and has wifi. I will ask him today.

Cool Howiecam, thanks. Looking forward to the info you get.

Hmmmm sounds interesting. I hope your not trying to pull a fast one on us bro because some of us have been anxiously waiting for some type of news on an 800w lol.

Is the screen similar to the 700 series or more landscape like the 500? If it's possible could you please check the maH of the battery too? Thanks in advance bro I appreciate it.

I'm actually hoping for landscape 320x240, I want my video full screen. There, I said it!

*ducks*

Like all CDMA phones this will only have aGPS in it--so that is your GPS.

Same problem as before though: Sprint/Verizon either don't have the APIs or won't release them, so you won't be able to access the GPS w/ 3rd party programs, just like all current WM devices on Verizon/Sprint.

Interesting post howiecam.

Any details about the OS/today screen/changes we might see? The bouncing clock sounds very cool, lol.

From what howie described, I think it's quite accurate. Hopefully some leaked shots will be coming soon...

What's the screen's resolution?

This is touch screen right? Did you ask what other colors it comes in? Now the for the key question, does this device have threaded SMS like the 750?

[quote=Malatesta;1353084]Like all CDMA phones this will only have aGPS in it--so that is your GPS.

Same problem as before though: Sprint/Verizon either don't have the APIs or won't release them, so you won't be able to access the GPS w/ 3rd party programs, just like all current WM devices on Verizon/Sprint.You might be right Malatesta, but I wouldn't jump too fast to say that. The RIM 8830 does have an actual SiRF III GPS chip in it, not simply aGPS. As for the APIs, I agree, it's simply greed on Verizon's part. But Sprint does make the GPS unit "available" on their version of the 8830 and I expect that Verizon will as well once their customized navigator solution is available.

CDMA handsets are far behind GSM units in making GPS available (TyTN II comes to mind immediately), but there's always hope.

Fingers crossed.

Good info.

Like Maletesta said, it does have GPS like all CDMA phones. My friend said he saw a setting for making location private for only emergency calls.

He did not know if it is available to 3rd party software.

the pic linked above looks like it is stretched horizontally. the screen looked square to me, probably 320x320, however I did not look too much at it. it is skinnier than my 680, that photo looks wide like a BB.

Q,
I know my friend referred to it as the 800, and I think I remembered seeing the Treo name on it.

FWIW, my VZW guy said a "totally different looking device" was coming next, when I asked him about the upcoming 755 on VZW. The first line in the opening post always makes one wonder, but it sure makes sense.

Also, that excited quote about watching 240x320 videos in full screen (smaller too?) instead of with empty areas on a 320x320 cracks me up. Uhhh, yes Palm, please take away some of my screen real estate, so that all apps get crammed even tighter than we're already dealing with ... that way at least it's "full screen" video. Wooohoo. :rolleyes:

It's a "w" we are talking about so I think it's the 320 width that he's hoping for.

Interesting post, but then again, considering the time of year, its about time for such sights to be happening. Thanks Howie for the info and confirmation on things.

800w

when will it be released? i need a new phone. my 700w is barely holding on. i reset daily. its not the phones fault; i threw it.

"when will it be released?"

Nobody knows an exact date.

Speaking of Verizon, I sure hope they don't end up with an exclusive on the 800w like they did with the 700w. That would be such a bummer for us Sprint folk.

um, sprint had the 6700 before verizon..

all I know is Sprint is scheduled to get the 800w in Q1. That's from the Sprint spec sheet that I posted and from other sprint internal projection plans.

Are you sure she's not refering to the 755p ?

If the 800w's release was that imminent then I would expect the usual flurry of leaks around the internet ;)

Usually a blurry picture will come out 3-4 months before the release date, and the official announcement about one month prior. The only exception is the 500/500v, Palm did a good job hiding it.

And the Sprint/Verizon exclusive window is another three months. :)

If you go back to June there was a projected launch date on Verizon of 9-13-07 for the 800W & the 755P.

http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=144910&highlight=800w

I know this date has come and gone but maybe we are close. True the 755P was not released either but I am willing to bet Verizon scrapped the 755P. Why release an "Old" unit and form at $300.00++ when they can wait 90 days and release the "new" Centro for $99.00. By then Sprint should have found most of the bugs.

As far as the picture goes who knows we may have already seen a picture of the 800. No one could tell the difference between the Centro and the 500. With the new form factor we may have thought that a picture was of a Centro or 500 when it may actually have been the 800W we were looking at.

One can only hope that the 800W is close. No complaints about my 700WX as it has been rock solid (now that I said that it will brick in the next few days), but I have the itch for something new to play with.

to clarify, the rep thought that it was a 750 because it was a windows based device with an internal antenna.

750 is Windows based and no antenna, but this is GSM not a phone that Verizon would carry unless Palm changed the radio to CDMA for Verizon. I would think that they would give it a new number too. Not much of a step forward.

I would double check with your VZW rep for a clarification.

After looking at pics of the centro and 500 on an actual computer (not my 680).. I would say the 800w looks more like the centro than the 500.

If vzw has a 90 day exclusive.. they could release up till xmas and sprint could still release in q1 2008 (march 31). Just a thought...

Can the insiders confirm the memory card type and the amount of user available RAM and ROM? I realize the latter two may not have been finalized for a beta device.

256/128 would be sweet!!!! Probably not very realistic. :cry:

With the 800W being the new flag ship device(??) you would think that everything would have to be upgraded from the Centro and the 500 if you are expecting your customer to pay $600.00.

Update

I just had a meeting with my Sprint Solutions Engineer and was sadly informed that the 800w has been delayed until February of next year. He also said that it could be pushed beyond that.

The HTC Touch has taken the 800w's spot for the November Q4 rollout. The Motorola Q9 along with the Touch will be released Nov 23rd as of right now.

However, I do have good news! My corporation is going to get the opportunity to participate in the beta for the Treo 800w. I will keep you updated and get some screenshots of the device once we get one.

[quote=Malatesta;1357110]Good info. Feb doesn't sound too bad I guess. It bodes well for having RevA out of the gates, unlike the Touch/6800. Sooner is better but, speaking for myself, I can wait a wee bit longer.

That also puts it at about the same life-span/replacement as the 6700/6800 device, which sounds normal for Sprint.


However, I'm not sure what I was most dissapointed in, the 800w delay or no WM6 ROM update for the 700wx.

If the so called 800w is schedule to release at the end of the year, it should be undergoing the testing by the (Verizon) tech right now. Which means we should see the leaked picture of the phone by now.

Unless we must sign some secrecy NDA, hopefully I will have some pics for you guys late November of the Sprint version of the 800w. I've never been involved in a "hardware" beta so I'm not sure what's involved.

But, if at all possible I will give full details with pics asap.

Yeah...poor guy hasn't posted since then.

Probably the best confirmation of his story possible. Do people with false product info get silenced? :o

He got sequestered.

GPS on Treo

I pressed my Verizon rep for a tighter release date and she said that they don't have "exact" dates but they're all expecting this unit b4 turkey day...

Palm is apparently stuck at Palm OS 5.4.9, so I would not expect much inno from that dept until (if/when/ever) Palm over Linux manifests in all it's rock solid glory. :eek:

Palm can't do much more with it from a hardware perspective anyhoo. I mean, are they really gonna sink a lot of dev into GPS? No. How about UMTS / HSPDA? Fajjittaboutit. WiFi? Already been done, but I would say that horse has been beaten so many times that we can just quit now. How about a 3mpx cam with flash? Possible. An onboard 128mb user RAM and tons of flash? I guess, but woohoo. HVGA? I give up begging for that and have no faith anymore. Moving the app buttons to different locations? Possible, and actually probable. :rolleyes:

All hopes for the platform seem to rest on Palm Inc Plinux actually being produced on a physical device available for retail sale. 2009 at the earliest according to the promises of Palm spokespeople ... and folks that aint' a comforting source.

Palm. Please prove me a fool here.

I can't speak for Verizon but as far as Sprint goes my gut tells me that the 800 was pushed back to Q1 '08 due to the deployment of WiMax. So, the HTC Touch has taken the 800's place for the Nov 23rd deployment as well as the Q9 being deployed on the same day.

But I guess we wont really know until November.

I highly doubt there's going to be a new phone from Palm before Q2 08. Otherwise I think we would know more by now.

Disappeared? Silenced? hehe

wow..
Just because I was swamped working long weeks the past few weeks you guys think I was squelched.

You guys just love rumors, don't you?

I only cruise this site via my Treo 680, and I haven't had much chance to keep up with this thread as it doesn't matter much to me as a GSM user and I have no additional info.

If a photo appears I could verify it's authenticity in so far as the model I held, but that's about it.

So I am still here, just silent because I am not one to indulge in all the conjecture. If I get anymore info I will share of course.

Side note: Is there anyway to check PMs from the treo optimized forum pages?

No but you can use the regular forum from the Treo. Just delete the text string "treo" on your mobile url.

Palm has the upcoming 680 (PTT) & 750 (WM6) upgrades to keep the Treo faithful busy for the remainder of this fall. Then Jan will see the Centro on other carriers (Telus, Alltel, Verizon?) as well as a GSM version (I predict this will be a pretty hot item, actuallY).

I doubt we'll see any new products from Palm until the 800w in Feb or March. I'm still stunned Palm didn't bring out a CDMA 755w (WM6, 320x320, Rev.0) as a stopgap release between the 700wx and the 800w.

I just talk to my Palm rep and his manager that was on a ride along(both carrying new red centros), and he pretty well supervises all the west coast and neither of them knew of the deivce. They aknowledged the sku exists but that neither had heard of any production or Beta testing, so I would assume the project is in Alpha and no leaks have occured as off yet. He comes to see me all the time and I asked him to keep his eyes open and snap a pic for me if he could when and if he ever sees it.

Muff

[quote=Muffnician;1361873]I just talk to my Palm rep and his manager that was on a ride along(both carrying new red centros), and he pretty well supervises all the west coast and neither of them knew of the deivce. They aknowledged the sku exists but that neither had heard of any production or Beta testing, so I would assume the project is in Alpha and no leaks have occured as off yet. He comes to see me all the time and I asked him to keep his eyes open and snap a pic for me if he could when and if he ever sees it.

Muff


Attached is a pic of the 800w from my solutions engineer at Sprint. He is going to send me an actual picture of a real live device when he gets a chance. They have started the hardware beta of the device and I should get to see one next month during a Sprint meeting. It is also rumored to be at a Sprint solutions show on Oct. 25th here in my home town. If it is, I will be sure to get some photos of it there and post them soon as I can.

Odd, it looks similar, but a lot larger than the Centro. That looks 755p/700wx sized. I guess it's probably better that way since WM6 is so power hungry with AS enabled.

From the look of things, it appears that this formfactor is the new Palm standard, or close to it.

If ATT gets a new Treo I would imagine that it would look close to this so don't worry! :)

Bit chubby-looking, isn't it....

Surur

Nice

I like it. I don't yet own a Treo and have been waiting for Verizon to come out with something new. Would be nice if it were to come out before x-mas...

Some thoughts:

- Damn, they got rid of the Right Shift key, just like on the Centro

- The Main keys look like the Centro but the D-pad is slightly different

- I'm surprised they're sticking with what looks like the plastic keys. The Centro's rubber keypad is very good--a lot less soreness in the thumbs

- The soft-key placement is...interesting?

- It actually doesn't look much like the Centro design at all

- I bet they get rid of the "border" on the screen--I mean, they did on the Centro finally, so that's a good sign

:thumbsup: !!

http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/rumors/treo_800w_mockup_leaked.html

It's about time we get some kind of a mockup of an 800w. Is it me or does it look wider than the 700wx? As long as it's thinner than my wx i'll be a happy camper. Thanks for the pic bro.

Here is my best guess on the size. Could actually be a little wider though.



(my first attempt below may have been a little too optimistic)

So I asked my contacts at Sprint where this photo came from. It was from a ppt presentation on the device itself from a meeting this afternoon with Sprint and Palm. So the image could very well be stretched since I copied it from an email. That tells us that indeed it is a "mock up" of what the device could look like if it were released tomorrow. The release date is still next year I'm being told so at this moment I'm really not sure what to believe LOL.

All I know, there is a new high end Treo with a new design and WM6 headed for Sprint..... soon. That gives me great hope.

I'm trying to twist some arms and bribe some folks to get my hands on the specs from that ppt :evil:

Marcus, nice working of the image--that really gives a good perspective of the potential size and changes in design :thumbsup:

jrinehart: watch some of that info you're giving out, it's pretty trackable and could lead to someone getting a talking to...unless this is a "sanctioned leak", lol.

Now we need Howie to come back and confirm that this is reasonably close to the device he held.

I'm holding out for a Palm/Garnet OS version, 'though. I hope they work those WM "Soft Keys" into the Home and Menu keys.

I like the way it looks. I'm sure Palm'll want to release a Palm version of it, but unfortunately since my existing Treo will probably do all the same things there won't be any compelling reason to upgrade.

Is it running smartphone edition or WM6 Pro. in that pic.?

Pro.

Surur

I like the mock-ups adjusted for stretching. Looks like Palm got with the times and shortened the Treo like we've been asking for since the 600. Let's hope they also slimmed it down to Q-eqsue widths, and then they really would have the perfect form factor.

[quote=Malatesta;1364542]jrinehart: watch some of that info you're giving out, it's pretty trackable and could lead to someone getting a talking to...unless this is a "sanctioned leak", lol.

I already have a spec sheet on the device which I was given some time back. I did find out more specifics this morning but I cannot say what those are but they are exciting :thumbsup: I will just say that nobody will be dissapointed.

I was told today I was free to distribute the image and it was expected to be "leaked". Not sure what that means. Most likely some exterior designs will change up a tiny bit which is to be expected.

Not sure when I'll get more info but if I can share it I will!

Why put a hard PHONE button right next to the green button? Makes no sense to me.

What phone did Sprint use to demo WiMax in Chicago?

Some random Motorola phone

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/26/sprint-and-motorola-take-a-slow-boat-down-chicagos-xohm-fast-la/

I think it was some modified Motorola.

Sorry to be a downer, but where is the innovation in this? Palm should deliver a 480x480 screen and trump the competition, plus slim up the Treo some. New offerings from Samsung and HTC are dominating the market. I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse on this, but I still have high hopes Palm delivers something noteworthy in the next couple of years.

Will we be drooling on a 800wx that get released 9-12 months after the 800w? I sure hope not. I don't see any must have in the 800w. I hope a 900 is already in the works.

well it sure would be nice if someone in the know would leak those 800w specs... then, depending what they are, people can really begin cheering/whining!

Yeah, after owning a 700w it's going to take a helluva device for Palm to get another red cent out of me, and this thing ain't lookin too good. We'll see how the reviews play out once VZW gets it in about a year.:mad: WHY IS SPRINT GETTING EVERY PALM EXCLUSIVE! DAMN YOU VZW!

Treo 800w revealed? found this on Engadget.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/24/palm-treo-800w-revealed/

You know its sad when..

You know its sad when China won't even make a knock-off of your device.

It will be middle of 2008, and they will be releasing 2007 technology in a 2005 form factor. I would predict atleast 2 more models of the Iphone, 3 more Nokia's, and a G-phone.

As for the specs, I think the best we have - http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/malatesta77/Treo800w.jpg

Posted originally by Malatesta.

It also looks to be of blackberry thickness... which, I would be ok with. I would like to feel the device in my hands. Sometimes, the Q is too thin and I feel like my hands are doing extra work to stabilize it. Where as the 700wx (with extended battery) works for my needs physically.

What do people here think about palmos vs the WinMo6?

Since the 755 doesnt have revA..im also thinking about jumping to a device with revA.

Well stated as usual Malatesta. It's hard to imagine using WinMob with out that Palm special sauce. Just the thought of going back to a slider type device requiring two hands gives me the willies. I'm really eager to see what enhancements Palm may have made to WinMob 6.

I thought it was curious how closely the rumored 800w looked compared to the mockup that I had drawn up a long while ago.... 11/10/2005 to be exact. ( which is admittedly an amateur photoshop job at best :) ) They just didnt lengthen the screen as was drawn in my pic.

http://discussion.treocentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10220&d=1131602027

I thought this would have been a nice layout too...

http://discussion.treocentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10272&d=1132209324

No wimax this year on any treo.

Hope they add a decent camera to it so I can finally use it when I need it. The camera on the 700wx is garbage, to be polite.

They should either add a decent one (similar to the iPhone's) or not add one at all if they are just going to cram a crappy one in there.

Man I really want to go with a another Treo because of the form factor, but at the same time I want something new and different from my 700w. The 800w is perfect for my needs and the list Malatesta made makes me want to stay with Palm even longer. But these delays are killing me. Then again I would think I can get some of that in Malatesta list installed on another device(other than the threaded SMS that is).

I do hope the treo would include wimax however Ed stated in one of the qtr conference calls that they are not a company to jump on tech ie wimax and yes future treo will include wifi.

I hate to pop your bubble, but there is NO Palm Treo device in the WiMAX pipeline.

I've got a contact that's seen the device roadmap, and Palm is no where on it.

Cheers,

RocketDude

[quote=RocketDude;1365878]I hate to pop your bubble, but there is NO Palm Treo device in the WiMAX pipeline.

I've got a contact that's seen the device roadmap, and Palm is no where on it.

Cheers,

RocketDude


There is no Palm device but there is a Nokia device.....

palm as a company sucks

Did I miss something? What is this 755w that you are talking about?

Are you referring to the 750 for AT&T? The only 755 that I know of is the 755p and only on Sprint.

I can say however that the specs for the 800 are nothing "revolutionary". Just not normal for a Treo.

Naveen, dude, you gotta at least seem like you know what you're talking about when being so bold.

Comeon... you havent missed that keyboard that doesnt need to be slid open? :)

So... Its 2 weeks from Black Friday....

Will there be a new WM Treo before Christmas??

Or will it launch AFTER Christmas in January. WHich of course makes no sense expecially in a recession.

You can add an experience I had this weekend to the rumor mill. I was at a bar this past weekend watching some college football and happened to meet a Sprint corporate marketing rep. She claimed that the 800w would be out "around Christmas time". We'll see. Sprint needs a new "wow" device before Christmas IMHO.

I hope they do. I have a few Benjamin's in my checking account waiting for a new Treo.

My money's on that we won't see a new Treo in consumers' hands until 2008. The high end Treos don't usually make the Christmas shopping season.

Yea for some reason I highly doubt the 800 will be out this year. I bet there probably won't even be any new news on it until atleast after christmas. The wait for a new treo has definitely been very long for some, but I'm definitely going to wait it out to see what they include in the 800.

They tried really hard with the 700w, even announcing it months in advance, but it only made 1/06. I know it's VZW but still...

My money's on late Q1/early Q2 2008

Regardless, if the 800w (or whatever it will be called) was going to be available before 2008, it would have been announced by now. The 650 was announced in October. Sprint was the only carrier until 2008. I would have expected similar circumstances with the 800.

So I maintain we won't get it until 2008.

Only roughly 6 weeks till Christmas and we only have one leaked photo so far. Unless we get another leak today or tomorrow I don't see anything happening till 08.

Plus from everyone who has seen a unit it sound like its only in testing right now. Hardly seems like enough time for a full scale release. Also has it been listed with the FCC yet?

Not sure if I posted in this thread or not, but i have a small business account on VZ- nothing major just a handfull of lines so I get no inside info. BUT the important they mail me a magazine sort of thing each quarter trying to upsell me new plans, services, and phones. The Nov, dec, jan issue came and there's no 800w mentioned. It has the i760 that just came out plus the LG venus, LG voyager, and HTC XV6800 all shown but with "coming soon!". So they aren't shy about putting in phones that are planned to come out shortly. So seems that no new treo on verizon at least till next year.

Palm can't deliver a phone on time to save their life. Don't hold your breath.

Jon Rubenstein - you need to kick some *** into gear over there !!!

Palm needs Terry Tate - Office Linebacker to go work for them.

I still have the 650 and I almost bought the Sprint touch but since this device will remind me of the 650 body style and I have Andre The Giant fingers, I am excited to be in line for the 800. My contract is now up with Sprint so I can just hold on to my discount and use it to get this version of the latest and probably greatest from Palm. Nice work because they lost me with that little Centro. I was like goodbye Palm! This unit should kick some PDA butt when it finally comes out. O I also heard that it may be out in January. Has anyone else heard that same rumor? Doesn't matter because I will be in line for this one!

Classic!!

[quote=ttoppins;1372142]You can add an experience I had this weekend to the rumor mill. I was at a bar this past weekend watching some college football and happened to meet a Sprint corporate marketing rep. She claimed that the 800w would be out "around Christmas time". We'll see. Sprint needs a new "wow" device before Christmas IMHO.

Unless she considers Feburary "around Christmas time" then there is no Christmas release. Otherwise, I wouldn't hold too much weight in what someone says in a "bar."

As of today, the GPS chip by Qualcomm is still undecided and it's almost mid November. No way it's coming before or on Christmas.

By the way, the Touch rocks as well as the Q9c.

320x320, WiFi, and WM6 through Verizon would be enough to make me purchase the Treo 800w.

[quote=mikec;1373408]At this point, what would be "Wow"?

- 320x320 screen?
- EVDO Rev A.
- Wifi?
- BT 2.0 (not really a wow but and expectation)
- More RAM?
- Faster Processor?
- Thinner?

At this point, unless the Treo 800 is as thin as the Touch, and has all the above, it's going to be tough saying "wow".

320x320: Yes
Wifi: ATM no
More RAM? Yes, 256mb
Faster Processor? ATM, Yes 400mhz
Thinner? Yes, half way between the Touch and 755p

Lots of things are still speculation on the 800 and there is still time for several key components to change but Sprint has asked for the above and so far they are getting most of what they ask for.

We wont know anything until a month before launch at the earliest I would imagine.

256 RAM would be insane!

good point... I'd imagine after a point the additional RAM may not have as huge a benefit.

[quote=Malatesta;1373512]Well, I guess. lol

I'm kind of with Jag though on this one. The device won't be any faster than current devices with that much RAM, it just means you can have 30 programs openend at once--but how many do that?

As far as the 64k issue, the difference here is WM6 and the programs coming out for it are not anything different from before i.e. Opera doesn't now require 20mb of RAM whereas yesterday it used 2mb.

I think with Photon, we'll have to definitely revisit this issue of RAM and the 64k argument will definitely matter.

I'm just thinking from own expereince on the 700wx: I regularly have 20+ of free RAM, so bumping that up by even 100mb seems a but unnecessary. But maybe others have vastly different experiences. It will definitely render any program management moot (hell, even memory leaks would be moot, lol) I would just hope the power trade off is not too great.

Then again, we still need confirmation we're talking about RAM and not ROM ;)

All good points. While extra RAM is always nice, I personally would like to see extra internal storage. Despite the fact that applications CAN be installed on SD cards, there are still plenty of applications that don't behave properly (or uninstall properly) if installed on an SD card versus internal storage.

Terry Tate ....

Wait so will this have WiFi or not?