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Update: Yep, it's for real, Engadget has some deets.

Update 2: Yowza, this is looking like a really, really big deal. I am a little worried for Microsoft, but I am very worried for Palm. More details on that particular issue at TreoCentral.

Them's the rumors over the weekend. As we reported a month ago, it looks like Google intends to compete directly with Windows Mobile - offering not hardware but a full smartphone OS. They appear to have more than 30 partners on board - basically everybody you'd think that might be interested - and their OS should be full-featured:

Google will announce an open-source development system for mobile applications that will contain a full set of components, including an operating system, a set of common application programming interfaces, a middleware layer, a customizable user interface and even a mobile browser, according to sources. Instant messaging standard protocols will also be supported.

Read: Google to unveil mobile platform; target: iPhone?

Further rumors - Wind River is apparently going to be applying their embedded Linux know-how to the project. That particular bit should be interesting to those who followed the Foleo debacle, as Wind River was also on board for that project. Although many will see this as a shot at Microsoft, I'm willing to bet that it has Palm, planning their own Linux-based Smartphone OS, shaking in their boots.

The real challenge to Microsoft is that “Android,” as it is supposed to be called, is likely going to be offered for a license fee of approximately $0 to manufacturers. Some of the costs may be offset by some sort of mobile ad structure. I'm very skeptical phone-based could work - screen real estate is just too precious to waste pixels on ads.

The announcement is supposed to come at 11 Eastern.


Comments (53)

So I wonder if I can load this on my AT&T Treo 750.....

If forcing me to hear 10 second of ad will let me make calls for free, I would go for it.

IMO the weaking feature in the google lineup is easily the google chat/talk. They could have offer a compartible service to Skype but they dropped the ball.

Palm is screwed six ways from Sunday, aren't they?

so let's see Palm is going to release a new handheld with the long awaited new & improved os & google's "android" phones we'll be released in mid 2008. Hmmm. PALM time to get up off your azzzz!!

I meant to add Palm is releasing a "new & improved" os in 18 months & google phones will be available in 8!!!

[quote=septimus;1371077]Palm is screwed six ways from Sunday, aren't they?

Sideways with a bad attitude and NO lube.:hmm:

According to this NY Times? article I read last night, which is a very interesting article focusing on the gPHone and it's head big wig, it said that Google was planning on using customer add-on services and software license agreements for 3rd party developers to support the platform. Now this morning it appears the story has changed:

But for now at least, Google will not put its brand on a phone. The software running on the phones may not even display the Google logo. Instead, Google is giving the software away to others who will build the phones. The company invested heavily in the project to ensure that all of its services are available on mobile phones. Its ultimate goal is to cash in on the effort by selling advertisements to mobile phone users, just as it does on Internet-connected computers.

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The alliance represents a bold move by Google and its partners that mirrors the company’s efforts in the desktop computing industry to give away software and services and gain revenue through targeted advertising.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/technology/05cnd-gphone.html?ex=1194930000&en=18c977cdf035f0ca&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY">SOURCE[/URL]



I agree that an ad based financial revenue as the lifeblood for a platform would bomb in the long run because of the valuable screen real estate that is on the phone. I personally though welcome any competition. It seems that those are the are only real times that MS really offers advances.

Sideways with a bad attitude and NO lube.:hmm:


Ouch...

As I mentioned in another thread, I think Palm would be smart to jump on this bandwagon and worry about not only the special sauce as Dieter mentions but the Garnet layer as a value add. Here's to hoping that Palm is smart enough to see this.

Ouch...

As I mentioned in another thread, I think Palm would be smart to jump on this bandwagon and worry about not only the special sauce as Dieter mentions but the Garnet layer as a value add. Here's to hoping that Palm is smart enough to see this.


Agreed! Adding that to the article. Excellent point.

Ouch...

As I mentioned in another thread, I think Palm would be smart to jump on this bandwagon and worry about not only the special sauce as Dieter mentions but the Garnet layer as a value add. Here's to hoping that Palm is smart enough to see this.


Not sure if they can go against Giant Google but 2nd option is to make new PalmOS II open platform. Atleast that can excite current and future programmers to built something for Palm OS II.
But I think since Android is releasing before Palm OS II, it has to suck real bad (highly unlikely) to give Palm chance to stay in market. But I will be watching Palm stock very closely for next 6 months.

Not sure if they can go against Giant Google but 2nd option is to make new PalmOS II open platform. Atleast that can excite current and future programmers to built something for Palm OS II.
But I think since Android is releasing before Palm OS II, it has to suck real bad (highly unlikely) to give Palm chance to stay in market. But I will be watching Palm stock very closely for next 6 months.


Point being is that there is no need for a PalmOSII. If Palm joined the Alliance and worried about developing the compatibility layer for Android then they could focus on what's important for their customers and let Google do the OS work.

I really think this is the end for Palm.

Point being is that there is no need for a PalmOSII. If Palm joined the Alliance and worried about developing the compatibility layer for Android then they could focus on what's important for their customers and let Google do the OS work.


Problem is, Palm wanted to have its own OS for all of its devices. I am with all of us here on Treocentral that foleo was a bad choice. But if Palm wants to introduce a new device (other than a smartphone) it will be a pain in ***. Anyways it will be horrible for Palm's PR to abandone another project.

Also its hard to say how long will it take to release a new device on Antroid plateform if Palm did decide to go with it. Palm is majorly consist of programmers. What will happen then, fire all programmers????

Also Google got Sprint on this platform. Thats numero uno cell provider for Palm from historical prospect and I think dedication-wise.

Damn man....its so many decisions. I would hate myself to be in that position. Lets see what happens in next few weeks.

If google is not going to brand the OS/environment, Palm has just as much chance to make money on the "gPhone variants" as HTC.

What really bother me is this... Nokia make the Maemo Linux platform; Motorola has its own Linux platform; now both google and Palm are going to roll their own version of Linux. WTH? Why can't these people sit down and work on a common Linux platform?!

Don't be surprised if Palm is a 'surprise' partner here. The pieces in place already make it already seem so.

To be honest I am really disipointed. Not about the mobile OS... it sounds interesting. But a mobile OS is cool... not as cool as an android.

WHen I read the headline... I thought they actually meant an android. I got my hopes up... for a girl android especially

If google is not going to brand the OS/environment, Palm has just as much chance to make money on the "gPhone variants" as HTC.

What really bother me is this... Nokia make the Maemo Linux platform; Motorola has its own Linux platform; now both google and Palm are going to roll their own version of Linux. WTH? Why can't these people sit down and work on a common Linux platform?!


Both my love for and disgust with the Open Source community is that there are so many available options... I think that if everyone in the community focused on single projects in given category like, for instance, one Linux flavor, they'd blow Windows away but then it wouldn't be the Open Source community we know and love...

I think that Palm needs to back off of its Linux and jump on this one. I also think that Motorala is doing just that as it is one of the partners mentioned in all of this. Nokia? Who knows...

To be honest I am really disipointed. Not about the mobile OS... it sounds interesting. But a mobile OS is cool... not as cool as an android.

WHen I read the headline... I thought they actually meant an android. I got my hopes up... for a girl android especially


Awww...

well

Nothing like reaching into the recycle bin...

I believe this was the video from Palm Corporate Headquaters after Google's announcement....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0qD0aA2bY

Nothing like reaching into the recycle bin...

I believe this was the video from Palm Corporate Headquaters after Google's announcement....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0qD0aA2bY


LMAO...

Really... If played correctly, this could be absolutely wonderful for Palm. I just don't have much confidence that it will, in fact, be played correctly...

let's hope

Don't be surprised if Palm is a 'surprise' partner here. The pieces in place already make it already seem so.


I hoping that's exactly what thye do.

This really is another major blow to Palms 'business plan'. The idea here may not be new, but it has the companies behind it to make it work. Palm changning course again and jumping into this deal may be the bext short term move

(i do wonder how they did not know about this before hand)

LMAO...

Really... If played correctly, this could be absolutely wonderful for Palm. I just don't have much confidence that it will, in fact, be played correctly...


Yep..they could play it right...but given the Fooleo debacle, it's unlikely. Foresight has not been one of their strong suits.

No new OS in over 10 years....no new UI since the first release.
Minor hardware increases over the past several years.

Wish it wasn't that way...

Don't be surprised if Palm is a 'surprise' partner here. The pieces in place already make it already seem so.

The same thought occurred to me. Palm is going to have a hard time getting to the party later than Google and then selling enough units to recoup their costs let alone make a profit. Remember that the market won't sit idly by while Palm takes forever to get to the market with their version of a Linux phone.

Sorry I'm so slow. I'm from Tennessee :o

But, I don't get it. Would this be an open source OS that could be installed on a Windows Mobile handheld (6800, Touch, etc.)?

If so, is it possible that it is free - but, they get to market to you through text SMS, and pop-up crap / ads?

@#%!@#$ Ryan Block, writing the Editorial I meant to but haven't had time to write today

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/

;)

@#%!@#$ Ryan Block, writing the Editorial I meant to but haven't had time to write today

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/

;)


You?? I should have written this damned editorial! LOL

It's obvious that everyone is thinking along the same lines, though...

so we will have three choices. treo with palm os, treo with windows, treos with google os. right??

Don't be surprised if Palm is a 'surprise' partner here. The pieces in place already make it already seem so.


I think "Antione of MMM" has it right. If you look they delayed a new flagship product until 2008 (probably late 2008.) The SDK for Android will be released next week? hmmmmm.

I bet Palm pulled the Folio after Wind River joined up with Google and convinced Palm to come along for the ride and scrap anything they had planned for their new OS and work with them on Android. This would give them enough time to get all the UI bugs worked out and make it look pretty plus work on backward compatibility for previous Palm OS applications.

It almost sounds to good to be true. I would be curious to find out what the Palm investors have their fingers in as well. Could it be that they also have worked with some of the other vendors that are working on Android?

Personally, i see Palm working on their UI and smartphone designs over then next 8 to 12 months to have one or more smartphones that are running the android OS shipping soon after android is officially released.

hardware semi revealed:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/google-and-htcs-dream-phone-prototype-semi-revealed/

sounds like a high end sidekick to me. VERY excited to see what Google brings to the table. I think they are going to turn things upsode down - something we have needed for a LONG time.

Palm has to let go of their ego & greediness. The OS will not survive unless they assimialte somehow with Google. I cannot imagine the number of applications that will be developed from all the different developers & quickly too. By the time Palm releases their linux device, google phones will be way ahead with tons of applications already written. I mean just the fact that anyone could wrewrite the code to create their own interface is huge. I mean how many developers have dreamed of creating a new UI for the stinking palm os?? the UI is not much different in 5 years! Palm what's your next move?

Palm is not in? What were they thinking to turn down the opportunity to be in? I mean, HTC is on! I'd dare say they are now the standard in smartphone creation and Palm is relegated now to pick the scraps other smartphone companies don't want. Well, at least the Centro-momentum lasted a few weeks.

Reading Palm's response is a re-assurance that either they have an Uber-powerful PalmOS II in development ... or more realistically that they are sticking to their guns in hopes we the faithful users don't go out to try that new OS on the block and that they were seriously not expecting a blow of this magnitude.

Lets give it a few days for the Palm camp to come up with good excuses on why the oft-delayed POSII should be THE smartphone OS of choice vs. what seems to be a sure thing in the form of Android.

Palm has to let go of their ego & greediness. The OS will not survive unless they assimialte somehow with Google. I cannot imagine the number of applications that will be developed from all the different developers & quickly too. By the time Palm releases their linux device, google phones will be way ahead with tons of applications already written. I mean just the fact that anyone could wrewrite the code to create their own interface is huge. I mean how many developers have dreamed of creating a new UI for the stinking palm os?? the UI is not much different in 5 years! Palm what's your next move?


I can't wait for that SDK to become available...

engadget article - good

Had palm waited for Android to become available and use it as the foundation, we probably wouldn't see a new Palm OS-based device till 2010 at the earliest.

Making a smartphone is not as easy as making a PC. You can't just slap the OS on a piece of hardware and call it a smartphone. It will be very interesting to see what the first Android-based smartphones will look like. Let's not forget that it takes both the hardware and the software to make a great computing product.

@#%!@#$ Ryan Block, writing the Editorial I meant to but haven't had time to write today

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/palm-assimilate-with-android-or-die/

;)


Well @%$&@ him for killing off Engadget podcast anyway. :p

You got to give it to Ryan Block, he's a pretty big closet Palm fan. I talked to him once when he had to call Time Warner Cable to fix his moden, lol.

Read Every Word

Read every word on the Palm response and do not add one thing to it.

<
Palm customers have benefited from the availability of Google services on Palm's platform, such as Google Maps for mobile on Palm OS. And we look forward to further collaboration with Google to offer great user experiences on Palm products.">>

Nothing in it says they could not be stealthily on board with Google, in fact the bit about wanting to continue to work with them is cryptic at best. Engadget may be reading into the statement what is not there. Unless Ed Colligan specifically says no, it isn't no. Even that can change, like Folio's Yes became Not Yet.

It would be stupid to say no (never say never) since this may have been unknown to Palm (Engadget assuming they knew aside- where is their proof of what Palm knew and when they knew it?) and Elvaton's people may have just heard about it and no decision may have been made this early.

Their answer is a non-answer, typical corporate-speak.
Neither a confirmation of googlephonecollaberation, nor a denial.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

You really wonder what palm does with its time 5 days a week.

Do they sit around and bull**** or do they actually do work?! What is produced is never anything remarkable anymore and doesn't show signs of a labored effort to innovate. So what the hell do these people do all day long?

I'm just staggered by how woefully inefficient, slow and unmotivated this company is. Truly!

Both my love for and disgust with the Open Source community is that there are so many available options... I think that if everyone in the community focused on single projects in given category like, for instance, one Linux flavor, they'd blow Windows away but then it wouldn't be the Open Source community we know and love...


Well, Linux and BSD's are caught in a little chicken-and-egg here. They won't really become viable in the marketplace until they get support from the hardware vendors. and they won't get support from the hardware vendors until they get the userbase. Something's gotta give. I'm not sure if "one distro" would fix that problem.

Regardless, having one distro would pretty much go against the goal and value of linux. The beauty of linux is the choice. I run both Gentoo and Ubuntu on computers I work with every day. The fact that I can use one distribution that focuses on a great desktop environment, and another that allows for complete and total control over it, is beautiful. No distribution is right or wrong, it's about picking the right tool for the right job. Gentoo can be a specialized distribution and have it's niche in the marketplace, not to mention the great service OpenBSD provides to the community. You lose that if you have one distribution.

Palm has to let go of their ego & greediness. The OS will not survive unless they assimialte somehow with Google. I cannot imagine the number of applications that will be developed from all the different developers & quickly too. By the time Palm releases their linux device, google phones will be way ahead with tons of applications already written. I mean just the fact that anyone could wrewrite the code to create their own interface is huge. I mean how many developers have dreamed of creating a new UI for the stinking palm os?? the UI is not much different in 5 years! Palm what's your next move?


Again, the pieces are already in place for Palm to be involved here. It would not only make sense, but prove this comment as well:

Read every word on the Palm response and do not add one thing to it.

<
Palm customers have benefited from the availability of Google services on Palm's platform, such as Google Maps for mobile on Palm OS. And we look forward to further collaboration with Google to offer great user experiences on Palm products.">>

Nothing in it says they could not be stealthily on board with Google, in fact the bit about wanting to continue to work with them is cryptic at best. Engadget may be reading into the statement what is not there. Unless Ed Colligan specifically says no, it isn't no. Even that can change, like Folio's Yes became Not Yet.

It would be stupid to say no (never say never) since this may have been unknown to Palm (Engadget assuming they knew aside- where is their proof of what Palm knew and when they knew it?) and Elvaton's people may have just heard about it and no decision may have been made this early.

Their answer is a non-answer, typical corporate-speak.
Neither a confirmation of googlephonecollaberation, nor a denial.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:


Thanks, I didn't need to type a lot for that.

You really wonder what palm does with its time 5 days a week.

Do they sit around and bull**** or do they actually do work?! What is produced is never anything remarkable anymore and doesn't show signs of a labored effort to innovate. So what the hell do these people do all day long?

I'm just staggered by how woefully inefficient, slow and unmotivated this company is. Truly!


Do not confuse lack of getting a product with lack of movement. As a small example, it takes a good professor 3-6 hours to prepare for a 1hr lecture. For a smartphone/PDA platform, I am pretty sure that more time is needed.

Last near-prophetical comment: Palm and WR could be acquired by a company not currently in the mix here. Like I said, too many pieces are in place here for Palm, and WR seems to have the type of mobile Linux deal needed to push it into the major (non-China Mobile) mobile Linux distro.

Well, Linux and BSD's are caught in a little chicken-and-egg here. They won't really become viable in the marketplace until they get support from the hardware vendors. and they won't get support from the hardware vendors until they get the userbase. Something's gotta give. I'm not sure if "one distro" would fix that problem.

Regardless, having one distro would pretty much go against the goal and value of linux. The beauty of linux is the choice. I run both Gentoo and Ubuntu on computers I work with every day. The fact that I can use one distribution that focuses on a great desktop environment, and another that allows for complete and total control over it, is beautiful. No distribution is right or wrong, it's about picking the right tool for the right job. Gentoo can be a specialized distribution and have it's niche in the marketplace, not to mention the great service OpenBSD provides to the community. You lose that if you have one distribution.


Agreed... But let's not hijack the thread... ;-)

I really think this is the end for Palm.


Didn't you say that before? Are you sure this time??

:D

It could be that Palm are waiting to see if jumping on the Google-wagon makes sense, and want to keep open the option of rolling their own. That would at least make some sense of the slippage for POS/Linux.

Or it could be very dark here and that sound is me whistling :(

On a different note, anyone else feel nervous about trusting Google with access to yet more of our personal data? :confused:

On a different note, anyone else feel nervous about trusting Google with access to yet more of our personal data? :confused:


I'm using my neighbor's personal info, so it's all good. :-)

I'm using my neighbor's personal info, so it's all good. :-)


That's just wrong... LMAO...

Mike...

So, those emails promising to make you bigger in a certain area are meant for your neighbor? As are the offers of money from Nigerians?

if THIS is the new Gphone, I am SOLD!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/06/htc-omni-google-dream/

Palm needs to get onboard. Google's revenue source.

First, Palm absolutely needs to get on board and release a Treo and Centro with the Google operating system. It shouldn't be that hard to do. This will not only help tide them over till the new POS arrives, but let them test the waters, to see if the GoogleOS is a viable product offering.

Second, I don't think Google is being completely forthright about their income model. I doubt the ad revenue model would ever work...especially not in a phone. But, even now, on the desktop, Google is working on other revenue streams. Google offers basic services like Gmail, and then charges for premium. As we move more and more into webbased applications, and a phone that is fully web capable, this income stream gets a bigger piece of the pie.

Lets look at a few examples....current and possible future.

1. Google Maps. Basic service will let you search for addresses and get routing. Premium will work with a GPS.

2. Gmail. Basic mail works to send a receive. Premium gets you more storage.

3. Googledocs. Basic lets you open and view. Premium lets you edit and collaborate.

4. Google calender and a whole host of PIM apps. Basic lets you work on your calendar. Premium lets you collaborate with an entire business...meeting notices...etc. Premium could have shared projects...be a web version of MS Project.

While Palm should be concerned, the company with the most to lose is Microsoft and other companies that are developing web applications. Open software and web apps are the future and Google is poised to lead the pack with their own OS.

Inside the gPhone: What to expect from Google's Android alliance

I just saw this. Sorry if it was already posted.
I was just looking for commentary on what people think of this.
Inside the gPhone: What to expect from Google's Android alliance
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=TL0MHU5534CNGQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=202805720

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