WMExperts Podcast 35

I think you perhaps meant "Olive Branch" instead of fig leaf. Plus, did you guys know that Alltel tried to buy Sprint three times?!? Here's the link, since I can't embed it:

techdirt.com/articles/20080623/0200581477.shtml

Instead, Sprint decided to do its own thing and Verizon plus Alltel is now the largest wireless provider in the US. Huh.

Olive branch -- yep! Can't wait for my brain to recover from this flu!

Hey, first time listener here, just finished listening to the podcast. Was pretty awesome - you talked about things I would like to talk about, but none of my friends are geeky enough to care about phone gossip. Look forward to listening in the future!

Nice job on the WinMo future talk. Is there a link to the kamikaze kernel stuff Mal was referring to?

Also, maybe I missed it but one thing I would really love to see on the next version of WinMo is native Java app support.

1. Look at Android as a java/feature phone platform replacement which will go even further in blurring the line between feature and smartphones.


2. Mal, I cannot say this enough, the overwhelming majority of cell phone users are blown away by (and don’t even use all the features on) an LG Vu or enV2. This means the power of Windows mobile is lost on the vast majority of the cell phone using public. Even people most people with smartphones only use them for the basics. Windows Mobile will fail if it tries to complete on power and flexibility. The fact is WM Pro can be overwhelming and complicated to the average users. A platform will never win with that kind of reputation and user interface.


3. Correction: Mickey Papillon loved the e71. He said the phone was powerful and the battery life was amazing. He noted that email was not as functional on the e71 as on his Windows or Blackberry devices. However, he sold it for economic reasons. He sells all of his full price devices. He waits until he can qualify for a subsidy or get the device at a significant discount before purchasing it outright.

3. Correction: Mickey Papillon loved the e71. He said the phone was powerful and the battery life was amazing. He noted that email was not as functional on the e71 as on his Windows or Blackberry devices. However, he sold it for economic reasons. He sells all of his full price devices. He waits until he can qualify for a subsidy or get the device at a significant discount before purchasing it outright.

I did indeed love the E71. It was a great device. It is true that the email client on it isn't quite as good as the Blackberry or WinMo IMHO. And yes, I am a junkie, so i buy and sell all the time.

PhilR8: welcome to geek club :p

Nice job on the WinMo future talk. Is there a link to the kamikaze kernel stuff Mal was referring to?

Confession: I confused my Japanese nomenclature :o

Not Kamikaze but Yamazaki :D

And here ya go: Special Report: Windows CE 6 arrives with 100% kernel source

Also, maybe I missed it but one thing I would really love to see on the next version of WinMo is native Java app support.

True. Well, JVM programs are getting better from years past. But sure, why not? :thumbsup:

2. Mal, I cannot say this enough, the overwhelming majority of cell phone users are blown away by (and don’t even use all the features on) an LG Vu or enV2. This means the power of Windows mobile is lost on the vast majority of the cell phone using public. Even people most people with smartphones only use them for the basics. Windows Mobile will fail if it tries to complete on power and flexibility. The fact is WM Pro can be overwhelming and complicated to the average users. A platform will never win with that kind of reputation and user interface.

Today? Definitely and I agree 100%.

But, MS has planned this as saying WM7 will finally concentrate on a wider audience.

With credit to MS: WM5, WM6 and WM6.1 were not even slightly focused on consumer wants or with them in mind and yet they are a player (thanks to 3rd party developers and HTC). Up till WM6.1 it was the basics and then business concerns.

WM7 is MS specifically and for the first time really attempting to make the OS consumer orientated. So lets see what they bring...;)

Hey guys, another great podcast. As a longtime WM and Palm fan (currently rolling with an HTC Touch (Sprint)), I'm missing a physical keyboard and weighing the options out there including Android. With my SERO plan on Sprint, it's pretty hard to want to change carriers, but nevertheless Android is really giving me reason for pause.

Initially when Android was announced, I was really excited. Then my excitement waned a bit after I read some blogs indicating that it might not really be a smarthpone OS so much as a feature-phone OS. Now that it's out, I'm excited again. Yes, it's a version 1.0 product - we all know that and agree that it's missing a lot of core features. But it's far cooler and more powerful then I was expecting. I agree with Dieter that it has the potential to move rapidly, and while I don't think WM is going to be dead anytime soon, I do believe that the Android platform could match WM in terms of its feature-set much quicker than many might guess. Also, based on what I've heard and read, it sounds like it's both very stable and quick/responsive for a 1st gen OS which is something that just can't be overstated IMO.

I've downloaded the Android SDK and played with it a bit, and I like it. No, you don't develop apps for linux - the entire application stack is done in Java, including the apps that come built-in from Google. (given that there are probably more Java developers out there than any other language this was likely a really smart decision) However, there are enough API's available to give you access to whatever low-level OS "stuff" you should ever need - at least that's my impression so far.

For now I'll probably switch to a Treo (not sure if I want to go 800w or Treo Pro yet...) but long-term I've definitely got my eye on Android.

The Special Report links back to this page? Did I miss something?

If any of you guys have not tried the new Gmail app on Symbian or Blackberry, please try it. That thing is very nice and mature. Because of it I no longer use IMAP to get my gmail on my E71. I want that kind of functionality on WinMo.